I was working on getting a 450c Designjet refurbished today. New belt, cleaned up inside and out, fresh spittoon and oiled the rail. Thinking all was ok, I put the covers back on and got ready to print. BOOGERS! The LOAD + ALIGN + MEDIA lights were on and I wasn't sure what it was that was causing this.
Looking in the service manual I found a number of things it could be. I decided to try the easiest thing and wiped down the encoder strip with a soft damp paper towel. Don't Use Alcohol If You Try This - just warm water! Wiped it all the way across from far left to far right. As I was wiping I noticed a couple of ink smudges on the encoder strip. They came right up on the paper towel.
Then with the plotter turned off I moved the carriage to the middle of the machine and restarted it. This lets the carriage "refind" itself with the clean encoder strip which is the GPS of the plotter. It tells the carriage where to be from left to right. IT WORKED!
Below you can see the suggestions from the service manual.
I'm often asked if a certain Designjet model can have a memory upgrade. Off the top of my head, I can't always remember. I'm a princess, but an OLD princess, just like your Designjet! I found this chart today from the UK where they freakin' love their old HP Designjet plotters! Check it out here!
Jerry called from Pottstown PA and needed a few parts to put his old Designjet back together. He'd been lucky enough to get his hands on a cheap machine that was missing a spindle and hubs for the paper rolls. I was happy to sell him these things and popped them in the mail the next time I went to town.. Jerry also replaced the belt, cleaned up the inside and oiled the rails to make this classic wide format printer ready to print.
He even bought the correct USB to Parallel BI-DIRECTIONAL cable from my SUPPLIES page.
He called me the next day and paid me to turn off the driver signing requirement in Windows 10, download the correct driver, choose the port and we finished the printer install.
I talked him through putting the paper roll on the spindle -- making sure it was TIGHT up against the right stationery hub. He pulled out enough paper to come to his nose as he stood in front of the plotter. Feeding it into the plotter, he lined up the right side of the paper with the perforated holes on the plotter. The printer grabbed the paper and fed it until it came back out the front of the machine. "What does align the paper mean?," he asked me. I told him to flip up the blue lever (also known to me as the clutch lever.) Next I told him to pull the paper by the two corners while looking at the right side and making it as tight to match on the right as possible. This guarantees it will be seen by the plotter as square on and could even print a 10 foot banner without the print skewing by the end. It seemed fine. He put the lever back and we tried a print. Watching it in the queue it didn't error, but Jerry yelled "Oh dang it!" and told me the carriage had caught the right side of the paper on its return from the trip to the right and bunched the paper up. We re-loaded the paper about 10 more times that afternoon. I asked him to look at the star wheels and see if they all rotated properly. He said he couldn't figure out what I was talking about. We finally took a break before Jerry gave up and threw the darned thing out of his house.
Once he'd recovered from the trauma of all this "learning" he sent me a photo of the printer with the lid up. I laughed and laughed. Then I picked up my phone and called him to tell him he had no bail. A bail is a black bar that automatically lifts up when the paper is loaded so the paper can slip under and then the bail drops onto the paper to hold it down while printing. Along the bail are about 10 small black plastic pieces with little wheels that have tiny needles on the points of the stars that help keep the paper moving straight forward.
Of course I found a bail for his printer and mailed it immediately! When it came he called and I talked him through installing it. He kept saying "Now that makes sense!" as he looked at how the bail works. We don't often think about the bail since it is a non-electronic part, but without it your paper won't load properly and your carriage will crash into the paper and you just can't print!
Thus ends the story of how Jerry got bailed out!
The BAIL on this printer is shown in YELLOW highlight above.
The display panels or menus on HP Designjets in the 600, 650, 700, 750 series are dimming with age and many have totally blown, especially for those not using good surge protectors! I'm on a quest to find a replacement for these. I save front panels from every machine I junk out, but there's got to be a better way!
In researching this I've found that the actual display is a Futaba Vacuum Fluorescent Display Module 2 Lines/20 Characters -- With each character using 5 dots wide and 7 tall.
The Futaba part was M202SD01HA and/or 202SD01B
Here's a link to the actual manual of the actual part: http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0031/0900766b800319eb.pdf
Those of you who are more electronically inclined may be able to figure out a replacement for this display OR may be able to find an actual distributor of these displays. If you can make in progress on this, please email me through the email form on the ASK QUESTIONS page.
Ron called this morning. He has a Designjet 500 giving him a 22:10 error code. The key to finding the solution came when he said he'd just replaced an empty cartridge.
I asked Ron if he'd tried turning it off and on and/or disconnecting the electric cord from the wall for 15 minutes. He humored me and said yes they had without sounding disdainful of the question! Really, it is important to ask this, so don't be offended...there are hundreds of problems that can be quickly and easily solved with just turning the darned thing off!!!
I told Ron to turn off the printer, take all the cartridges out. Turn the printer back on and make the printer ask for ink. It asked, he reinstalled the ink cartridges. That solved the problem. The printer came quickly to READY.
So my old buddy Aaron in Phoenix had just replaced the carriage belt on his Designjet 430 and suddenly ALL the lights on his control panel were lit and neither he nor I could find a reason for it. After trying about 30 different potential fixes, Aaron found that the reason was that the parallel to USB cable wasn't fully seated on the parallel connection. Problem solved!
Many people called this week to say they went to print with their Windows 10 and their plotter which had always worked well in the past and now the Designjet wasn't on the list anymore. Further, when they tried to reinstall they found that as they followed the wizard and all the steps it still didn't show up. Here's what I've learned and what I THINK may be the cause:
1. Reboot your computer.
2. Pull up Printers and Devices from SETTINGS
3. If your plotter still isn't showing ADD A PRINTER
4. Choose all the things you chose last time and then when it asks if you want a new driver or use the already installed driver (which is recommended) - USE THE ALREADY INSTALLED DRIVER
5. If you still can't get printing call me at 651-247-3022 and I'll charge you $50 to reload your printer remotely.
WHY HAS THIS HAPPENED? I think it may have been a Microsoft update or another update like Adobe which updates every 22 minutes...or so it seems...and it somehow interfered and threw these printers off the list. I'm sure that they will send out another update soon and we'll think we just dreamed this...
Occasionally I get a call from someone who just can't get the darned cover off the Designjet 650 or 600. John Hamill was one of those folks and after he found the HIDDEN SCREW for the Designjet 650C he decided that he could help others by making a video. Some machines I encounter already have these screws removed, but this one didn't and John was stumped. Thanks for sharing JOHN!!!
HP DesignJet 500 Plus - Error is reported:The printer memory runs out, and the print file data is lost
HP DesignJet 500 Plus - Error is reported:The printer memory runs out, and the print file data is lost
ISSUE:The DesignJet 500 Plus reports the following error in the print process:The printer memory runs out, and the print file data is lost.The job print fails.
SOLUTION:Enter the printer window via the Control Panel. Right click on the printer icon and select Printer Preference in the pop-up menu, and then enter the Service tab.Click the Fix Software Problem button, and select the options in the pop-up window according to the following figure.
If the problem persists, try extending the printer memory to fix the problem if practical.
If your printer still does not return to normal, record the problem in detail, and contact the HP technical support hotline or the nearest gold-level service center.
Don't you just love it when you trip across something that's delightfully unexpected and will make your life easier? I did that today. I found a page on HP.com/UK that has all the drivers for all the Designjets...I hope.
Check It Out!
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To use the ethernet port on the back of the printer, you will need a router. Run ethernet cable from router to back of printer. your printer will have to be configured through the front panel of the printer with an IP address that your router will see. You can then send print files from your laptop to the printer wireless.
Here's an excellent article with step by step directions for most HP Designjets
Note: When you get to the step about IP Bytes you just hold down the up arrow or down arrow to quickly get to the number.
kToday I was loading drivers on Windows 10 for a very nice gentleman in New Jersey. When doing this I always ask the question, "Can you verify for me that you don't have any extensions, hubs, adapters connected to your Parallel to USB Cable, because that almost always messes with the bi-directionality that these plotters need."
The customer responded, "Well, my USB cable is a USB to DB25 Female Parallel adapter cable connected to the old type of printer cable that is gray and has the twenty-five pin head on both ends."
I told him that it probably would not work. My experience has been that anything connected except for the parallel to usb cable won't work. He explained to me that he had the old gray printer cable but it wasn't long enough to let him reach the plotter that was in the next room from his computer.
I said we'd try it. I was sure it would be for naught. The print came right through...even faster than normal for a Designjet 430. I thanked him and now I'm sharing the info with you! I love these tips. If you want to buy one, it is posted above with the UGREEN label from Amazon, just click on the photo!
I met the nicest couple from Waseca Minnesota today! Dave and Calley Jo drove almost 2 hours to Lindstrom to looks at what I have in my inventory. I thought they'd like the $300 Designjet 600 monochrome a basic black and white plotter (wide format printer) from 1992. A solid workhorse that never dies! When I refurbish these they never need a new belt, but always need covers off and a complete clean out just due to normal dust and debris. Next I lubricate the rails and the gears. Check the encoder strip, often changing it as the thousands of tiny lines tend to delaminate about 20+ years later. Next I recalibrate the accuracy and a number of other parameters and then I proceed to test the hell out of it. I print 5 to 20 prints because IF it is going to misbehave I want it to happen right here at my house, in my little one car garage workshop!
Instead they chose the HP Designjet 800 - 24 inch model because of its versatility. Not only can Dave print his blueprints, but this plotter can print on vinyl, tyvek, canvas, photo paper, back-lit film, card stock and plain old paper. I watched as the two of them came up with more things they could do with this wide format printer...giant graphic for the kids' walls when they redecorate their rooms and family photos printed on canvas...It was fun to watch them come up with ideas! Dave works in construction and I shared the trick of printing field blueprints on waterproof vinyl so that even in sloppy wet spring environments the plans stay intact!
This printer was built in 2001 to 2003 -- the big bonus being that you can still find supplies at your local stores and HP hadn't yet figured out how to stop users from using expired ink! I sell lots of these in both the smaller 24" and the larger 42" models.
The moral of the story is I will sell you what you want and won't sell you something you don't need. We spent more than an hour looking at three different plotters. Ultimately the customer picks one and then I train them on what little maintenance it needs and how to load paper and buy ink, etc.
Two more things they get from me...I load the drivers for them and I give them phone support for life! They also know where I live...how can I be anything but a perfectly honest Princess for folks who know where I live?
This week I received two calls from HP Designjet 430 and 450c owners telling me that their trusty old machine was giving them a cartridge + data error and the initialization was very, very slow. Both told me that the error could be cancelled. This means that their sweet little plotters had line sensors that were bad. These are very easy to replace and cost less than $50. I've created a link below for you to buy line sensors for these plotters. When they come you just need to remove the two screws from the right side of the carriage, snap off the black plastic housing and pull out the old one and plug in the new one. Replace the black housing, it pretty much snaps into place. Replace the screws and your plotter will live for another 20 years -- except for belt replacements every 4-5 years. I've also included a link below to the new belts.
Line sensor for Designjet 430 or 450c
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I knew that if I printed a sign on adhesive vinyl it instantly became waterproof due to the way the ink permeates the vinyl and a chemical reaction that occurs. So why shouldn't I give it a try outside and see if it would hold up under bright summer sunlight at a busy intersection where there are no trees.
It didn't...the fade was dramatic and traumatic to say the least.
So onto the next thing....I'm going to try a spray called Frog Spit. I've been told it works great and sprays a UV proofing coat over a printed item.
I'll let you know how it turns out!
I was selling a Designjet Z2100 and a Designjet T620 -- both used HP Vivera inks and I was interested in trying refillable ink cartridges as they were less expensive than buying the 6-8 inks to test each plotter. They worked great. The ink was very nice and my customers were thrilled.
Here's the link to the specs on the HP Original Vivera Inks
You can buy refillable cartridges here:
And this company will sell you bulk Vivera Ink to refill ink cartridges
I'm known as "The Plotter Princess" - not because I'm royalty, but because I know all about HP Designjet printers - also known as PLOTTERS - and how to use them for printing your own blueprints and graphics. I have a website filled with tips and tricks for users at www.MyOldDesignjet.com
1. There's a difference between USED and REFURBISHED - Used is just that - used! No one has taken the covers off and cleaned out the years of ink and gunk. No one has replaced the parts that are worn, like the belt. You need to know that even if it is not being used, the belts are deteriorating with each passing day. Refurbished means it has been stripped down, cleaned out, essential parts replaced and/or serviced, everything lubricated, recalibrated and tested, tested, tested!
2. Don't buy from anyone who can't show you how well it prints - If they don't have paper and ink, if it is missing some essential component you may be very, very sorry. I get calls every day from people who did buy without testing and now want me to help them by repairing their newly purchased USED printer plotter.
3. Don't buy more machine than you need - If you are just printing blueprints buy an older refurbished HP Designjet. Buying a $10,000 plotter that will sit around 6 out of 7 days is a waste of money! Like cars, the moment you first use them they depreciate considerably.
4. Don't buy a printer that can't use expired cartridges and/or printheads - You can always find "expired" ink bargains online for these older HP Designjets, but buying the fancy machine will lock you into a system that will shut down if you use and expired ink or printhead. Really? Ink doesn't EXPIRE! Just like most drugs don't!! I routinely use inks from 2004, 2007, etc. - but that's because I use an older plotter from the days before they figured out how to put chips on the cartridges that have dates of expiration.
5. Don't buy from someone who won't take your call tomorrow! I will take your calls! Heck, I even take calls from people who didn't buy from me! If you buy my refurbished plotter, I will take your calls for years to come!
6. Don't buy from someone who can't show you how to make it work with your computer. If you have a Windows 8 or 10 operating system we can connect an older plotter, but you'll need someone with my years of experience to help you get it done. If you bring your laptop to an appointment, we will connect it before you leave. If you have a desktop we can connect remotely after you get the printer home and make everything work.
I have many plotters available today. Call me to discuss what you need to accomplish and we'll figure out together which plotter will work for you. If I don't have the right one, I will even refer you to a competitor if he has the model you need.
and I will have to work to pull myself out of the chair where I can sit by the hour and watch the leaves gently fall!
We were so lucky when we found this spot on the lake in Lindstrom Minnesota! It is everything we wanted for our retirement home....
Lake, single level, handicap accessible and 100 different varieties of perennial flowers for the gardener husband! Oh, and last but not least -- An attached heated garage for my workshop!! Speaking of the workshop, I'll be out there today working on a Designjet 500, 800, 750c, and a 450c.
If I can save them and make them be good candidates for adoption I'm very happy. If I can't they still serve a great purpose by providing parts for those of you who need to keep your old plotters running. I work through the machine and verify function in each part before listing it on eBay.
See my links to the eBay and Craigslist pages where I sell plotters and plotter parts:
I write about common problems with older HP Designjets. I'm always available 10am to 10pm CDT to answer your questions!
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and St. Paul, Minnesota
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Designjet 600 / 650
# 40 Refilled Ink